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  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldtoMicroblog Memes@lemmy.worldSave The Planet
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    16 hours ago

    People definitely underestimate how cooperative big tech is relative to every other business mostly because big tech has a lot of money and very few expenses so friction is relatively a bigger bottle neck than almost any other industry. So I still think that pressuring openAi into green energy is easier than pressuring Volvo (or any manufacturer) which already is really brittle and has huge negotiation leverage in the form of jobs it provides.

    Take a look at any other business niche and no one’s comitting to green energy other than big tech. As you said yourself no other niche want to build their own nuclear reactors to satisfy their own green energy need.

    I think its OK to hate on big tech because they’re billionaires but people really lose sight here and complain about wrong things that distract from real much bigger issues and paints the entire movement as idiots.


  • This has been tried before many times. The problem is that this exchange can never satisfy all of the parties.

    Would site host take 0.01$ for a page? If its Walmart.com then they’d happily lose even 0.10$ or more if competitors can’t analyze their products and other perceived IP damages.

    For example, let’s assume they do the business math and come out that if it is anything below 5$ is a no deal - what scraper would pay 5$ for a single product page scrape? Maybe openAI can pay that but is this what we want where public scraping is only accessible to billionaires? What if you’re just a user that wants to track Walmart price to build your own budgeting script? Are you paying 5$ on every request?

    Now for creative content like blogs etc. it could actually work and micropayments have been holy grail here forever but what more likely to happen is that free content will outcompete paid because when LLM asks do you want to read this for free or pay 2$ for this other source 99% of the users will pick free because some unknown source has zero authority in the end user’s eyes to justify this risk.

    What I suspect will happen is similar with what happened with SEO spam rise but it’ll be a but better because LLMs are harder to game than Google. Most content will be free but have injected biases, shilling or other promotions or agendas to subsidize the costs. On the other hand a lot of content will remain high quality and free as a legitimate source for authority signaling within relevant industries which is already a big thing.

    Anyway thanks for coming to my ted talk



  • Im not sure what’s the point here? If we dont like LLMs and data centers using power then we use existing strategies that work like taxing their power use and subsidizing household power use which btw we’re already doing almost everywhere around the world in some form or another.

    The data centers are actually easier to negotiate and work with than something like factories or households where energy margins are much more brittle. Datacenter employs like 5 people and you can squeeze with policy to match social expectations - you can’t do that with factories or households. So datacenter energy problem is not that difficult relatively speaking.





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    nobody wanted according to whom? It’s literally the most used product of this century stop deluding yourself.

    All datacenters in the world combined use like 5% of our energy now and the value we get from computing far outweighs any spending we have here. You’re better off not buying more trash from Temu rather than complain about software using electricity. This is ridiculous.



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    1 prompt is avg 1Wh of electricity -> typical AC runs avg 1,500 W = 2.4 seconds of AC per prompt.

    Energy capacity is really not a problem first world countries should face. We have this solved and you’re just taking the bait of blaming normal dudes using miniscule amounts of power while billionaires fly private jets for afternoon getaways.























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